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The Second Sex, Now and Forever

by Milo Millipede, Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:26:07 PM EST

While the Democrats celebrated Hillary's second-place finish as a yet another phony "triumph" for women's liberation, Susan Faludi sketched the big picture in an editorial for the New York Times.

Today, the United States ranks 22nd among the 30 developed nations in its proportion of female federal lawmakers. The proportion of female state legislators has been stuck in the low 20 percent range for 15 years; women’s share of state elective executive offices has fallen consistently since 2000, and is now under 25 percent. The American political pipeline is 86 percent male.

Women’s real annual earnings have fallen for the last four years. Progress in narrowing the wage gap between men and women has slowed considerably since 1990, yet last year the Supreme Court established onerous restrictions on women’s ability to sue for pay discrimination. The salaries of women in managerial positions are on average lower today than in 1983.

Women’s numbers are stalled or falling in fields ranging from executive management to journalism, from computer science to the directing of major motion pictures. The 20 top occupations of women last year were the same as half a century ago: secretary, nurse, grade school teacher, sales clerk, maid, hairdresser, cook and so on.

Hillary Clinton's candidacy was killed by the media patriarchy, a male blogocracy, and Obama's unscrupulous race-baiting, and now women are under tremendous pressure to forgive and forget again.

Women have been forgiving and forgetting over and over ever since they got the vote 88 years ago, and most of them are still living in the low-wage ghetto of second place in everything: The woman is a nurse, the man is a doctor, the man is a boss, the woman is a secretary, and this job profile is the same as it was in 1950.

Forgive and forget...

Thanks to Susan Faludi for reminding us that Hillary Clinton's second-place finish isn't a "historic break-through"...

It's the same old shit, and if Hillary Clinton weren't putting a brave face on it, the same old mob would be howling for her blood.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Susan Faludi (all tags)

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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 4)

"and Obama's unscrupulous race-baiting"....

Sigh.....

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:28:34 PM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 4)

I enjoyed the Daily Show's excellent juxtaposition.

PUMAS: "We've got all these people that call us racists, that's not what this is about. We are not racists."
DAILY SHOW: "OK, why do you think Hillary lost?"
PUMAS: "The media and the DNC are completely sexist."

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:31:28 PM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 2)

Caution:

This is a McTroll diary. Trusted Users get your donuts ready.

You know what to do guys.

by venician on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:41:27 PM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 3)

I tripped over "male blogocracy" and landed face first on that one...

Geez o Pete...

Don't tell me how to be outraged.... Had she run a better campaign, she would be the nominee. Simple as that.

McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!

by JenKinFLA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:40:59 PM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 3)

Had Obama not won the nomination but come as close as Hillary did, he would absolutely be considered a breakthrough for the black community. If you think of Hillary's campaign as anything but groundbreaking, I feel bad for you.

Instead of using your power to oppose the Democratic candidate backing women's issues in a wholly symbolic and useless manner, you could be (and many are, I feel) making your voices louder by supporting the candidate voting for women's rights and take the media to task. More people need to do that.

As it is now, you appear as the punchline because you are refusing to vote for the candidate who could and would get your job done. Even if John McCain nominated a female VP, equal pay would still be off the table. The right to choose would be off the table. ALL the things you care about would be off the table.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:39:42 PM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

vcalzone I'll ask you as well. Did you write diaries about the sexism in the race and may I please read them.

Because that had direct bearing on a woman running for office.

I'd love to read what you had to say.

Would learn alot I think.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:53:54 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 2)

I did not. In fact, I didn't believe sexism was a factor at all until the primaries were nearly over. At that point, I lost the blindness that passion creates and actually listened to the arguments laid out by reasonable people on this site.

I read the Media Matters articles. I watched the videos. And it occurred to me that there were no major incidents like with Obama and race. It was little things. Dozens and dozens (probably hundreds) of one-off remarks, offensive framing tactics and just plain old insults. When you see one or two a day, it doesn't feel so weighty. When you actually look back at all of what's been said, you actually GET IT.

I'm ashamed to admit that I participated in it, though I never crossed a line that I couldn't forgive myself for. I never thought that sexism was still alive and well, but I see it now. If Hillary had to lose, be happy that we now have a boatload of proof of how the media can use sexism without even thinking.

I do think that gender went both ways, though, so I don't blame it for her loss. Hillary benefitted greatly from identity politics, one reason I don't buy the whole racism argument with the African-American vote. Voting based on identity is hardly a bad thing. It depends on whether you're using that identity to vote for someone or against someone.

But it was very much responsible for the decline in her spirit. It's almost painful now to watch Hillary's face while being asked about her likability. I think Obama tried to defuse the situation a little by laughing it off, but he didn't understand (as I didn't) what was happening.

And it's happening again with Michelle Obama, even here. All the discussion is about what dress she wore, how she seemed like a good mother, but more insidiously, about how she smiles, the look on her face, how she claps, how she stands... EVERYTHING except what she actually talks about.

When Obama wins, Michelle will become a lightning rod, and at that point, the time may finally be right to speak up and get these complaints heard. Hey, maybe Rachel Maddow might be interested in a hot button issue like that.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:25:32 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 3)

Yep...not historic.

Thanks to Hillary, my daughters get to take for granted the fact that women can successfully run for president.

But yeah...not historic at all.

John McCain smells like mothballs.

by asherrem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:40:06 PM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

Actually Geraldine Ferraro was on the DemParty ticket for president in 1980's

So unless a woman actually gets elected to president or vice president?

Just being on the ticket has already been done by someone else. Geraldine Ferrarro. The woman folks attacked here for her comments about Sen. Obama.

Sorry, I'd have been delighted if a qualified female candidate been placed on the ticket and elected. I'm not trying to be anti woman. Just historically correct.

Good to keep it in perspective.

No whoo hooo.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:30:20 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

And a few other firsts while we are at it.

Shirley Chisholm first African American in the US House of Representatives. 1960's and in 1972 she was the first African American to run for President Democratic Party.

Carol Mosley Braun first African American in the US Senate. 1990's Year of the Woman in Politics

What I don't see is an actual female in the White House as either President or VP

This year was the year to do so...

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:22:27 AM EST
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And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.

by thatpurplestuff on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:40:56 PM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 1)

Major flash back. I haven't thought of those garbage pail kids in years.

by venician on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:45:31 PM EST
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fail. (2.00 / 1)

and its really too bad. because underneath it all there is a point to be made about women in US politics

check out marie cocco's take on it from back in may.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:42:01 PM EST

Re: fail. (2.00 / 2)

Absolutely. We would be well served to look back and learn from some of the sexist behavior of the MSM and the public in general this year... like ridiculous "news" segments about Hillary's cleavage, clothing choices, and various "emotional" memes that were pushed for days at a time throughout the race. She absolutely received different treatment than a man would, and it's totally wrong.

That being said, this diary does nothing to address the real problems, blames Obama for every perceived slight, and instead pits us against one another and diminishes Hillary's very real accomplishments.

And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.

by thatpurplestuff on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:50:24 PM EST
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Re: fail. (none / 0)

Purplestuff, did you write any diaries about this sexist treatment during the primaries? I'd love to read them.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:43:41 AM EST
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Re: fail. (none / 0)

No, but I also didn't write any diaries on the MSM meme of whether or not Barack Obama was black enough. I'm was a dismal failure for both of our wonderful candidates, apparently.

And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.

by thatpurplestuff on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:16:57 AM EST
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Re: fail. (2.00 / 1)

I was just wondering if you had complained about it in your diaries at the time. I know that others have complained and were pretty much told that they were imagining things. That no sexism existed.

Which is what this diary is about. Sexism. Not racism. The discrimination against women of all ethnicities not of one ethnicity or the other.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:31:33 AM EST
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Re: fail. (none / 0)

No this diary is about trying to cause divisions here by bringing up a hot topic. Their is a time and place for everygthing. It seems your master sent you to this place, to bring this up at just the time when we are uniting.

by venician on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:12:50 PM EST
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"...It seems your master sent you to this place, to bring this up at just the time when we are uniting..." Venician 8-28-08

Sigh--

While you were calling me a slave the following things happened in my life:

Two extended family members died of cancer.

One of them because they received inadequate healthcare.

On Friday? The DNC week ended with finding out that it was the Republican, not the Democrat, who put a woman on the ticket. This was the first woman on the ticket. Unlike the Dem ticket, the Republican ticket made history. By doing so the Republican candidate energized his base with his VP choice. The Democrat did not put the highly qualified candidate (a woman) on the ticket. He did require her to speak at the DNC in his favor. This pizzed off his base.

Also on Friday? Instead of talking about Sen. Obama's speech the media has been talk about Sen John McCAin' VP choice. That's called stealing someone's thunder. Not a nice thing.

On Saturday, we were deciding what supplies to stock up on for what could be a nasty Cat 5 hurricane. This is ironic as it is the anniversary week of Katrina. In Katrina 2 families in our extended family lost everything they owned. For a while they were separated from their child. It wasn't fun. I care about adequate response to natural disasters.

I really care about this race.

About health care. About women. About disaster relief. About getting out of Iraq. About our economic interests on the world stage...

What I don't care about? Comments like the one you made quoted above. Ironic you complain about devisive comments by making one.

There are nice folks who I've met that who've been kind to me. To them I say hello. But I'm tired. I'm going to get some sleep so that I won't be tempted to respond. It will keep down the fussing and lead to more productive comments.

Thank and take care, Ann

Hope you and your family will be okay.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 02:55:52 AM EST
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"male blogocracy" (2.00 / 1)

Massive LOL!

I am not a crook!

by username on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:42:28 PM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 3)

Oh and incidently, with reference to the following:

"Women have been forgiving and forgetting over and over ever since they got the vote 88 years ago, and most of them are still living in the low-wage ghetto of second place in everything: The woman is a nurse, the man is a doctor, the man is a boss, the woman is a secretary, and this job profile is the same as it was in 1950."

I work at a very large veterinary clinic with over 30 doctors... well over 3/4 of the doctors and well over 3/4 of the RVT's are women. All of the Directors are women... The CFO is a woman...etc.

May I suggest you get out more?

McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!

by JenKinFLA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:45:15 PM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 2)

My girlfriend works at a non profit.

90% women, 6 offices, all are run by women.

2 run by women of color.

Yes, there is a long LONG way to go.

But, my daughter sure has more role models then my mom did?

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:50:10 PM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

Who would their role models be?

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:49:46 AM EST
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My girlfriend would be a good one.

She didn't get to be President either, but I don't consider HER or society as having made no progress because of that?

You seem very digital. Women's progress have stopped or come to a screeching Halt because ONE woman you favored didn't get choosen?

BTW, how were you on Sebelius on VP?

She was not my first choice, I prefered Hillary, but I saw a lot of "One Person Feminism" here, where Every Women but Senator Clinton was "disqualified" for VP....

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:31:49 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

Well. Fair question.

One of the things that I've been hearing about the VP spot is that the VP should be prepared to lead. When I looked at Sen. Clinton vs Gov Sebelius I saw one big difference. Sen. Clinton's support made evident by the primary votes. Even if operation Chaos was effective and Republicans voted, she still got the vote of millions of Democrats who thought that she was indeed ready to be president. That was millions more than the number than Gov. Sebelius got. Same for Sen. Biden.
Also, unlike the Huckabee v McCain primary, Sen. Clinon and Sen. Obama ran neck and neck in the primary.

Gov. Sebelius didn't at all nor did Sen. Biden.

As for getting along? There was Unity, NH and the speech at the DNC by Sen. Clinton. That speech had to hurt to give and to watch later. It left me thinking, "What does this woman have to do?"

Out here in the real world you couldn't jump over the highly qualified and vetted by the Dem party voter inorder to choose someone who didn't or wasn't successful in the same voting area. I know folks who hire and Personnel would have a fit if you tried to do that.

As to fit. I don't see the arguement successful after the Unity Ralley in NH nor the speeches at the DNC. Someone might have a problem but it wasn't Sen. Clinton. She's a president's wife, she learned to get along and support the president a long time ago otherwise she'd never been First Lady.

That said, I suspect that I'll be watching the Gov of Kansas to see what she does next.

To sum, I saw a highly qualified, similar in ideology candidate that got 18 million votes in the same primary as Sen. Obama run a long campaign in every state be passed over for the VP job. They were both females. I looked at the vote totals in the primary. To me being a feminist doesn't mean you put a woman in a position just because she is female. To me it's putting the best person in office for the job and not holding her back because she is a womam.

18 million votes. Even if Operation Chaos was successful, there were still millions of votes.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:25:48 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

Random thought.

Please note one of the things that puzzled me is why Gov. Sebelius didn't run for president this time if she had aspirations to do so. I've heard folks say that they would have loved a chance to vote for Michelle Obama but couldn't.

I wanted to know why there more women running for the office of president in this election.

Also have you gotten your boss to run a mentoring program for young women?

by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:30:00 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

WashStateBlue.

I had to go back and find it but I did comment on Gov.Sebelius. During the vetting process. I wrote an entire diary entry about the qualifications of Gov. Sebelius vs Sen. Clinton.

I had been told by commenters that Gov. Sebelius was more qualified for president than either Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton.

Here's my response:

"...Re: That is the funny part (none / 0)

Welcome.

I'm just wondering, if the Gov. of Kansas is more qualified, why didn't she run for president?
I have to ask, if she had these qualifications, why in the heck wasn't she running for president in this presidential cycle instead of either Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton?

Do I have an ulterior motive? Well I do hope that women actually run for president rather than just campaign for them.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 08:51:39 PM EST "

I really do appreciate that you might feel that my comments about Sen. Clinton were "...OnePersonFeminism ..." here. But I was asking why more women weren't running for president during the vetting process. I was told that Gov. Sebelius would actually make a better president than Sen.Obama.

I couldn't, however, look past the fact that so many Democrats thought that Sen. Clinton was absolutely ready to be President yet may or may not have known who Gov. Sebelius was. Sen. Clinton did the work of getting to know folks during the primaries and they came out and voted for her. That wasn't the case for Governor Sebelius. Even other lesser known candidates in the past, like President Clinton were a known quanity by the end of the primaries.

Just so you know this isn't a "OnePersonFeminism" for me. I really do want to see a woman in the WhiteHouse.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:53:34 PM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 4)

Diary and Author = Bullshit. Two steaming scoops of it.

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:46:04 PM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 5)

Yes, Michelle Obama said it better.

Now, HER DAUGHTERS, children of color and both women, know they have TWO role models when asked if they might run for President.

"Yes, Hillary and my Dad did...."

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:46:22 PM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

Yep her dad. As did every other male president's dad.

All male.

Not even a female VP

Everyone of the children of the president's of the US going all the way back to the very first?

It was their dad the president not their mom.

Would be nice to make it "My mom..."

Even if it were "my mom the VP..."

And that children didn't have to be.

That was what the Unity ticket was all about.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:58:37 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

Did you write a diary on racism during the primaries? Because I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

by Jordache on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:12:32 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 1)

Why I did Jordache. Thank you for asking. You'll have to go way back in my archives. It was on of the first I wrote here and I also wrote about the MSM. Nothing as deep as this conversation. Just a simple statement of a problem.

But not just for racism Also for sexism and ageism too. I think it was entitled ageism sexism racism OH MY

In archives.

I wouldn't be asking otherwise. :D

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:18:18 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

I read it, and there's literally nothing about racism in there, other than the title (which is a neat turn of phrase). It's not even about sexism.

But that's okay, you're not required to have written a diary on racism to have an opinion on it. The reason I asked is that I was wondering if it had occurred to you that this kind of essentializing thinking sets it up so that no matter who loses, for whatever reason, you'd have an aggreived party.

I mean you can literally change all the references to women to black people in that diary and it would retain as much, or as little, meaning.

by Jordache on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:26:45 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 1)

What would you have written? About racism and sexism? What would you say?

I seriously would be interested to read what you have to say. And you are correct, the diary was written for these "isms" to be interchangeable. That was to show they are equally wrong to do. I was trying to be fair.

I would very much like to hear what you think. I look forward to it.

But now, I have been under the weather and need my rest. Later, 12 dogs.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:57:24 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 1)

And one last thing so that you'll know.

I am a firm believer in equal treatment under the law. I believe it is wrong to discriminate against a person based on their ethnicity, gender, age, and sex.

Now off to rest.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:06:50 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 1)

Whew, I am tired.

In the comment above--

"...sex..." should read "...sexual preference..."

Oh and I also don't think you should discriminate based on a person's religious or lack of religious beliefs.

Lucky for me? So does the law.

This hasn't always been true.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:13:53 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

Also I am curious? This diary is about sexism. Why would you ask me if I'd written a diary entry about racism?

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:36:34 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (2.00 / 1)

The troll volume has gone way down since yesterday. I'm pretty impressed.

by Cincinnatus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:57:13 PM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

I'm not troll Cincinnatus but I'm none to happy on this joke.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:13:29 AM EST
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"male blogocracy" (none / 0)

come again?

"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"

by Brandon on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:28:34 PM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

I am voting for First Black Candidate for President.

I am not forgetting

I am not forgiving

by dtaylor2 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 08:43:43 PM EST

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Nor should you.

But, glad to hear, you are still a democrat.

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 09:56:33 PM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

You could have voted for the first black president and the first female VP.

That way you could have supported your candidate Sen Clinton.

That way we all could have forgiven and not forgotten history.

Matter of fact it could have made history.

AS it is now? It was Geradine who broke the glass ceiling not Sen. Clinton. It was Sen. Carol Mosley Braun who broke the glass ceiling for African American women in the Senate. It was Rep Shirley Chisholm who broke the glass ceiling in the US House of Representatives and in 1972 she had another presidential first as an African American running for president for the Democratic party.

Lots of first already I'm thinking.

So to be correct.

No history either.

Could make history if on the ticket. Not on the ticket no history.

While we're talking about history and stuff female.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:11:23 AM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

"It was Geradine who broke the glass ceiling not Sen. Clinton."

You do a disservice to Sen. Clinton and her millions of supporters.

"In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." -Barack Obama

by blueAZ on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:36:00 AM EST

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No I don't.

Rep Shirley Chisom - 1972 presidential election

(she was also the first African American woman elected to the US House)

Sen. Carol M Braun - 2004 presidential election

(she was also the first African American woman elected to the US Senate)

Geraldine Ferarro.

She was actually on the ticket in the General Election.

See for Sen. Clinton to make history in this presidential election she'd have to be on the ticket and then elected to VP or Pres.

That's how you'd make history here. Glass ceiling was already broke.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:37:48 AM EST
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To say different would have been a disservice to Rep. Chisholm, Rep. Ferrarro, and Sen.Carol M Braun. It would have also been a disservce to those folks who voted to Sen. Clinton. I really feel that it was devised to pander to the unhappy Clinton voter.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:05:50 PM EST
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Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

Best answer I can give: Keep going!

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:11:02 AM EST

Re: The Second Sex, Now and Forever (none / 0)

I wrote a diary early on in this primary season about the dearth of women in the upper levels of politics here, "Women and the Process."

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/16/1636 13/282

I think this needs to be close to the top of the agenda for the Democratic Party now; some kind of mentoring/recruiting/funding program to push as many talented women as possible into the public eye.

If energy and funds are put into this, we know from the experiences of this campaign, that the public is more than ready to elect a woman to any office. We just need more women, more diverse women, in that stream so that it seems as commonplace to see a woman running for higher office as a man. Then the sexist crap will become just another piece of ineffective rhetoric any campaign has to put up with.

by mady on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:52:17 AM EST

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I agree Mady. It will do two things. Heal the riff by not naming Sen. Clinton to VP and actually preserve the momentum she started. That would honor her running in this election for real.
Thanks. This is an excellent idea.

Happy weekend.

12 dogs.

by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:40:05 AM EST
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